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23 July 2003 @ 03:31 pm
so is it as Mencius says: That all people are fundamentally good and just by circumstance go astray?
or as Xunzi says: That all people are fundamentally bad and must work at becoming good?

(note: good and bad is determined in taoist thought as 'true to nature' or 'not true to nature'... yes a long dicussion can be brought in here but hey...)
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More than a little wonky...apogeeperigee on July 23rd, 2003 12:39 pm (UTC)
yes, it is....:)
VainInstantvaininstant on July 23rd, 2003 06:46 pm (UTC)
interesting that they would put it in terms of nature, the similar (on the surface at least) argument in europe between Hobbes and Locke was more focused on moral quality and social/cultural responsibility as the meaning of good/bad and how does one start off. I should have payed more attention in my eastern phil. class.
Braxanabraxana on July 24th, 2003 06:59 am (UTC)
should consider reading The Geography of Thought: How Asians and Westerners Think Differently. it discusses perceptional differences due to things such as this...:>
VainInstantvaininstant on July 24th, 2003 09:15 am (UTC)
Thanks, I'll check that out. Trying to be a good husband and all I've been slowly working through some chinese classics to learn more about her culture, about 1/2 way through Journey to the West right now. Seems like every day I find some new difference in how we reason or core beliefs. Interesting also to sort of observe the struggle between the beliefs imposed by the PRC government vs. the more traditional (conflicting) beliefs... 1 child policy vs. duty to the family etc.
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Braxanabraxana on July 28th, 2003 11:56 am (UTC)
The eastern mindset is 'nature' is that what is one's true essence. when tied to the buddihist's and the hinduists it is 'that which is Real, that which is outside the Wheel'.

to follow through with the Matrix: Reloaded, "Because you didn’t come here to make a choice, you’ve already made it. You’re here to try to understand why you made it"